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Feds give NY approval to replace Tappan Zee Bridge

GasBuddy Blog -- The federal government has approved the environmental impact statement and now has given New York the green light to replace the Tappan Zee Bridge. The state submitted a $5 billion plan and is requesting a low-interest federal loan of $2.9 billion, the most allowed by law, to move ahead.

Although financing still must be arranged and permits still must be obtained, NY's Governor Andrew Cuomo said he considers federal approval to be 'the biggest hurdle,' according to the New York Post.

The bridge's replacement is one of the nation's largest public works projects which was revived by Gov. Cuomo earlier this year after languishing in federal and state red tape for decades.

The bridge is a cantilever bridge in...

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LostInNY Champion Author New York Posts:1,711 Points:646,845 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 10:27:31 PM Ignore LostInNY Report Abuse Here's some more: The Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways (commonly known as the Interstate Highway System, Interstate Freeway System or the Interstate) is a network of freeways that forms a part of the National Highway System of the United States. As one of the components of the National Highway System, Interstate Highways improve the mobility of military troops to and from airports, seaports, rail terminals, and other military bases. Interstate Highways also connect to other roads that are a part of the Strategic Highway Network, a system of roads identified as critical to the U.S. Department of Defense.[28] The system has also been used to facilitate evacuations in the face of hurricanes and other natural disasters. An option for maximizing traffic throughput on a highway is to reverse the flow of traffic on one side of a divider so that all lanes become outbound lanes. This procedure, known as contraflow lane reversal, has been employed several times for hurricane evacuations.
LostInNY Champion Author New York Posts:1,711 Points:646,845 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 10:22:55 PM Ignore LostInNY Report Abuse @needmund This bridge is part of the federal interstate system...think of it in military terms...what happens if you need to move troops between either sides of the Hudson. And since NY is "asking" for money, the Fed has a say in moving the project forward.
LostInNY Champion Author New York Posts:1,711 Points:646,845 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 10:19:15 PM Ignore LostInNY Report Abuse The TZB has been in renovation mode forever! How much you wanna bet that once the new bridge is finished, it's gonna need renovations right off the bat! And why the surprise over toll prices?? Look at what they charge NOW at the George Washington Bridge ($12) and the Verranzano-Narrows ($13)!! I'm telling ya...need to be a millionaire to live in NY!!
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,609 Points:1,608,545 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Oct 5, 2012 10:46:57 PM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse well, what's better? Let the bridge go and have ppl get killed (remember the bridge collapse a few years ago?) or build a new one and be rather safe?
IrishCowboy Champion Author Fort Wayne Posts:1,431 Points:571,605 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Oct 3, 2012 7:12:13 AM Ignore IrishCowboy Report Abuse 170,000 per day at $14 each? That's $2,380,000 a day. It'll take almost 6 years to pay for itself. If you don't count the $5 it already costs, you have $9 in added revenue. That would take 9 years to pay for itself. So, at that point, the cost should drop back to $5, right? That's almost $1,000,000 a day in toll revenue! Should be plenty, right?
MOREDLEG Champion Author Missouri Posts:2,650 Points:610,660 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Oct 3, 2012 4:23:44 AM Ignore MOREDLEG Report Abuse FIrst you have to ask mother may I, then you have to ask for the money? This is crap, the FED dont have any money either, we're broke
DrCashFlow Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:7,059 Points:1,626,150 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 10:19:11 PM Ignore DrCashFlow Report Abuse That cost estimate is way too low
flyfast Champion Author Kansas City Posts:9,248 Points:1,825,060 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 8:20:36 PM Ignore flyfast Report Abuse old news
indyjim Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:10,088 Points:2,318,455 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 7:31:12 PM Ignore indyjim Report Abuse That's a ton of money.
GatorGuy Champion Author Columbia Posts:2,228 Points:1,206,495 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 3:30:32 PM Ignore GatorGuy Report Abuse about time...
listerone Champion Author Boston Posts:3,375 Points:877,790 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 2:22:01 PM Ignore listerone Report Abuse Tappan Zee Bridge? I love it because you can see the Manhattan skyline while crossing.
snappytom2 Champion Author Corpus Christi Posts:3,546 Points:274,545 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 1:21:38 PM Ignore snappytom2 Report Abuse Does the bridge go somewhere?
tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:32,985 Points:2,344,535 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:58:58 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse Feds give NY approval to replace Tappan Zee Bridge, 'The bridge's replacement is one of the nation's largest public works projects which was revived by Gov. Cuomo earlier this year after languishing in federal and state red tape for decades.' But, $5 Billion for a bridge, a low interest federal loan for $2.9 Billion, more than twice the toll after it's built and few jobs until next year, this is very wrong! Just in time for Fred's November election! Will wonders never cease how fast things get approved when it's someone’s potential election advantage opportunity! 'Coming out of the closet' Fred's lousy, smoke and mirrors, lack of jobs, dog and pony show and in the crapper economy, the jobs are Not here. Fred's economy is not improving but continues to hurt the population and the job numbers continue to be down – no matter how smoooooth talking Fred spins those numbers! People will still drive and buy fuel no matter what but it sure helps to have a job too! Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, Produce and ‘Drive’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. The price of fuel at the pump is too high! 12/22/2012!
neemund Champion Author Seattle Posts:6,545 Points:1,544,525 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:55:41 AM Ignore neemund Report Abuse I still don't see why New York needs to ask the Federal government for permission to replace a bridge that's entirely in New York.
Car54BC08 Champion Author British Columbia Posts:4,249 Points:1,509,365 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:25:42 AM Ignore Car54BC08 Report Abuse Without all the corruption in construction for projects like this, I wonder what the real cost is to replace the bridge?
NemoIL Champion Author Illinois Posts:3,020 Points:1,312,245 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:25:16 AM Ignore NemoIL Report Abuse What does this have to do with gas prices?
CatMan623 Champion Author Houston Posts:16,362 Points:2,343,795 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:22:55 AM Ignore CatMan623 Report Abuse Also the New York State Thruway. My question, poorly stated, was really about the environmental impact statement.
CocoPaz Champion Author Santa Barbara Posts:2,370 Points:322,420 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:21:21 AM Ignore CocoPaz Report Abuse Ratones1: ¡Hola mi amigo! Tell our listening audience what it was like living though 2 bridge reconstructions. While you are still in my old neck of the woods, with your ear to the ground, I am now in Paradise, blissfully ignorant of the happenings on the southern part of the 405.
Cheepo Champion Author Tampa Posts:9,889 Points:3,128,005 Joined:Apr 2003	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:20:55 AM Ignore Cheepo Report Abuse Good luck with that traffic jam!!!!!!
slvrdo_dsprdo Champion Author Nashville Posts:4,692 Points:912,040 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:20:53 AM Ignore slvrdo_dsprdo Report Abuse CatMan623 Because the bridge is part of a federal highway, Interstate 87?
slvrdo_dsprdo Champion Author Nashville Posts:4,692 Points:912,040 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:20:10 AM Ignore slvrdo_dsprdo Report Abuse I understand we need to build bridges, but man, that's a bunch of money. Somebody's getting soaked somewhere. It ends up being you and me. $14 to cross a bridge? Really?
CatMan623 Champion Author Houston Posts:16,362 Points:2,343,795 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:20:08 AM Ignore CatMan623 Report Abuse Can somebody tell me why the federal government has to approve New York replacing a bridge?
MadTraveler Champion Author Idaho Posts:2,082 Points:572,100 Joined:Nov 2009	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:20:00 AM Ignore MadTraveler Report Abuse Really worth that?
seahawks Champion Author Washington Posts:3,227 Points:1,963,745 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:19:26 AM Ignore seahawks Report Abuse income tax will have to go up!!!
AcuraTSX Champion Author Ohio Posts:5,489 Points:2,181,155 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:11:32 AM Ignore AcuraTSX Report Abuse Must be some bridge for 5 billion.
snell snail Champion Author Atlanta Posts:5,023 Points:2,597,325 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:11:26 AM Ignore snell snail Report Abuse ...how'bout HIGH interest $3 Billion loan?????
CocoPaz Champion Author Santa Barbara Posts:2,370 Points:322,420 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:11:18 AM Ignore CocoPaz Report Abuse We, of the land of fruits and nuts, toffurkey and dessert sushi, not to mention our best export: TRADER JOE'S, bring you "Carma-geddon II, the sequel". It wasn't so bad. For 4 days, people could actually tell misbehaving children, "Go play on the freeway".
Ticoman54 Champion Author Miami Posts:7,041 Points:1,491,045 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:08:05 AM Ignore Ticoman54 Report Abuse The Feds shouldn't have anything to do with this.
032946 Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:19,855 Points:4,043,070 Joined:Oct 2001	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:05:37 AM Ignore 032946 Report Abuse OK
bigmace111 Champion Author Albany Posts:2,718 Points:613,625 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:05:03 AM Ignore bigmace111 Report Abuse Up go the tolls and taxes.
Harveym385 Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:4,677 Points:696,665 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:03:53 AM Ignore Harveym385 Report Abuse Think thats bad for you cars. It will be over &100.00 for trucks
pecos Champion Author Columbus Posts:7,720 Points:2,111,310 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:03:43 AM Ignore pecos Report Abuse There goes the 2 million from SD.
hallows Champion Author St. Louis Posts:4,693 Points:2,803,645 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:02:14 AM Ignore hallows Report Abuse Alrighty!
matthwbar Champion Author Toledo Posts:4,058 Points:1,016,830 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:00:40 AM Ignore matthwbar Report Abuse Good news...
MightyDude Champion Author Minnesota Posts:10,345 Points:2,647,770 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 10:58:59 AM Ignore MightyDude Report Abuse kinda spendy, no?
regasaz Champion Author Phoenix Posts:5,775 Points:1,280,880 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 10:56:05 AM Ignore regasaz Report Abuse Same comment as yesterday when first posted.
mageetp Champion Author British Columbia Posts:3,205 Points:624,905 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 10:54:59 AM Ignore mageetp Report Abuse The toll cost sounds too high to me.
Taurus1 Champion Author Ohio Posts:3,125 Points:1,673,500 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 10:54:04 AM Ignore Taurus1 Report Abuse As long as they can repay the loan.
tml721 Champion Author Columbus Posts:12,605 Points:2,388,575 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 10:53:25 AM Ignore tml721 Report Abuse ZEE bridge iz ZEE one ???
mnbeancounter Champion Author Minnesota Posts:4,732 Points:1,061,840 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 10:48:21 AM Ignore mnbeancounter Report Abuse posted yesterday
ultm8opie Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:2,194 Points:532,880 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 10:46:43 AM Ignore ultm8opie Report Abuse Holy Crap! A $14 toll! Perhaps if they just enforced that now, they could get back to the trafic levels of the 50's when it was built. I would not pay that.
nehemiah Champion Author Portland Posts:4,756 Points:929,640 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 10:46:30 AM Ignore nehemiah Report Abuse seems logical
cbuck80 Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:1,597 Points:401,030 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 10:46:22 AM Ignore cbuck80 Report Abuse I love the Tappan Zee but the main reason I take it is because it was $5 one way now it will be cheaper to stay on the main interste through NYC.
oldiesman Champion Author New York Posts:6,427 Points:2,193,960 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 10:40:27 AM Ignore oldiesman Report Abuse Amazing must want something for such a gesture?
BeaconLite Champion Author Ottawa Posts:1,937 Points:369,275 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 10:39:09 AM Ignore BeaconLite Report Abuse WOW!! talk about toll price inflation from $5. to $14. How did they arrive at theat number.?
ttfn5tigger Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:1,899 Points:413,395 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 10:39:00 AM Ignore ttfn5tigger Report Abuse I would hate to pay more to cross it. good thing I only cross it a few times a year
BarneyDog Veteran Author Florida Posts:358 Points:64,825 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 10:35:05 AM Ignore BarneyDog Report Abuse Ok
dirtydiesel10 Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:1,162 Points:232,460 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 10:34:21 AM Ignore dirtydiesel10 Report Abuse All good as long as the federal government use NY tax only!!!!!!
us412 Champion Author Arkansas Posts:22,816 Points:2,416,255 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 10:31:29 AM Ignore us412 Report Abuse • t1mberwolff asks "...and where is this money coming from?" It is coming out of your pocket and from your grandchildren's financial legacy.
melvindale Champion Author Michigan Posts:1,438 Points:351,230 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 10:29:25 AM Ignore melvindale Report Abuse Quote: "Why would anyone outside the NYC area be remotely interested in this article?" Why indeed. This is because the same thing is happening all over the country. Bridges designed and built in the 1950's for 1950's traffic, are falling apart because in many cases, they are carrying loads that far exceed their original design or intent. Some ask, why did they not plan for future traffic. To them, I say: Go out, become a Civil Engineer, do the traffic study, design for the future and then try to get it paid for. In every case, local boards holding the purse strings will NEVER pay to build for traffic they may have in the future, they will always insist that you build for the traffic we have today. Go ahead, try to explain to them that this bridge may stand for 50 or 100 years (depending on how much it is overloaded), and you need to take that into consideration. They will tell you that is some one else's problem. They are right, the board will have all new members before their shortsightedness bites them in the ass. They don't care. That is what is wrong with the world today. Nobody cares. However, that is not new. It just seems that way.