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Environmentalists urge TVA to shut down more coal plants

timesfreepress -- The Tennessee Valley Authority has shut down or announced plans to soon shutter more than a dozen of its oldest and smallest coal-fired generation units to meet federal clean air standards.

But environmental leaders appealed to TVA's new directors Thursday to move away more aggressively from the fossil fuels that have powered most of the Tennessee Valley for the past half century.

"The age of coal has passed," Louise Gorenflo, a member of the Tennessee Chapter of the Sierra Club, told TVA board members during their quarterly meeting in Chattanooga. "Now is the time for TVA to retreat from these fossil fuels that pump out more carbon into the atmosphere. We need to move to other renewable sources and do more to promote energy efficiency."

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Submitted Feb 15, 2013 By: aservant

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,643 Points:1,611,470 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2013 3:58:54 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse as expensive as heating oils are right now, let's keep the NE warm at least... and find means to make the plants cleaner.
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:5,615 Points:1,207,430 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 10:14:27 PM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse How I love your comments NH...."We are all tired of the constant political rants of a bunch of 'Angry Old Men' here that have nothing better to do than spout hateful and mean spirited diatribes on Recent News rather than comment on details of the news article at hand. Will you 'Angry Old Men' please go to the Politics Forum to rant and rave at will? All here will be extremely grateful! It is a simple matter of COST. Natural Gas is beating the heck out of Big Coal!" Well said, particularly the part ABOUT 'Angry Old Men'!
lesndave Champion Author Texas Posts:3,052 Points:703,330 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 9:41:18 PM Ignore lesndave Report Abuse Nicely put, lgwhitlock!
A_NY_Outlaw Champion Author Albany Posts:1,382 Points:707,720 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 8:03:27 PM Ignore A_NY_Outlaw Report Abuse Don't worry Ned. The brainwashed masses will just continue to blame Bush. After all, that's the official Obama motto they live by.
NedW Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:5,625 Points:1,144,195 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 7:32:23 PM Ignore NedW Report Abuse Are people so blind that they don't see the economic damage this is going to wreak on one that's already teetering on collapse, with negligible benefit to the environment?
ExplorerWA Champion Author Washington Posts:4,093 Points:799,200 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 7:28:40 PM Ignore ExplorerWA Report Abuse And the replacement plants are being built when and where?
dave27johnson Champion Author Chicago Posts:1,790 Points:410,260 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 7:12:39 PM Ignore dave27johnson Report Abuse We have better options than coal.
A_NY_Outlaw Champion Author Albany Posts:1,382 Points:707,720 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:58:26 PM Ignore A_NY_Outlaw Report Abuse Give me a break with the poor me liberal pity party. The brainwashed dems were relentless when it came to president Bush. Anyone who continues to support this corrupt and incompetent administration is about as UN-American as you can get. It might as well be the same as coming clean and stating the left wants to live under the curtails of big government, redistribution of wealth from those who have more,all by gladly giving up rights established by the constitution and to which our brave men and women who serve and who died defending our great country. All to give you libbies the right to condemn those who won't conform to the King's view.
NHLiveFree Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:11,106 Points:1,625,130 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 3:52:56 PM Ignore NHLiveFree Report Abuse We are all tired of the constant political rants of a bunch of 'Angry Old Men' here that have nothing better to do than spout hateful and mean spirited diatribes on Recent News rather than comment on details of the news article at hand. Will you 'Angry Old Men' please go to the Politics Forum to rant and rave at will? All here will be extremely grateful! It is a simple matter of COST. Natural Gas is beating the heck out of Big Coal!
PDQBlues Champion Author San Diego Posts:7,084 Points:1,450,275 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 3:05:26 PM Ignore PDQBlues Report Abuse The Tennessee Valley Authority was a bad idea from the beginning. Yes, shut those coal plants down.
nsdp Champion Author San Antonio Posts:1,117 Points:47,340 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 1:19:12 PM Ignore nsdp Report Abuse 54 years old and inefficient. They also use 800 gallons of water per megawatt vs less than 400 for the newer gas turbines. AS to cost, the TVA cost estimates are about 1/2 of what the real costs are turning out to be in the real world. Ameren is finishing their first plant upgrade for a plant the size of one of the four TVA plants at $640 million. 4 times Ameren's real cost is $2.5 billion not $1 billion. CPS decided to close two plants less than 40 years old after real cost estimates came in at $970 million for the two plants that are each smaller than any one of TVA's 4 plants. For same money you can build nearly twice as much capacity in gas and use 35% less fuel and half as much water. And you have anew plant not one 50+ years old.
1OILMAN Champion Author Alabama Posts:2,080 Points:160,730 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 12:31:55 PM Ignore 1OILMAN Report Abuse There truly is a fool born every minute.
USMCturtlehead Champion Author Lexington Posts:2,035 Points:105,650 Joined:Feb 2013	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 12:11:12 PM Ignore USMCturtlehead Report Abuse Maybe the "Age of Coal" has passed but is still one of our cheaper resources for many things. At least thats what I realize as my electric costs go up. New power plants have to be built to replace those that are shut down and at what cost to consumers. Seems all costs trickle down to consumer no matter what happens.
lgwhitlock Champion Author Chico Posts:7,395 Points:1,687,445 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 11:19:48 AM Ignore lgwhitlock Report Abuse Why waste resources closing them and forcing them to build new plants? Why not offer them incentives to clean up the plants and bring them up to the newest clean burning coal plants around? Then it is a win-win for everyone...
SammyAdams Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:3,061 Points:794,535 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 9:30:07 AM Ignore SammyAdams Report Abuse To: jeskibuff Re: Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:22:05 AM (Printed below) "WonderfulMI said: "These coal-fired powerplants were built during the administration of Democratic president Franklin D Roosevelt, as part of an economic recovery package. As such, I would expect every Republican to demand the closure of these socialist inspired powerplants." Unlike Dumbocrats, most conservatives are not in favor of wasting resources, no matter who was responsible for building them. We can see the abject stupidity of liberals like Obozo who succeeded in sending millions of perfectly good vehicles to rot in junkyards across the nation. It's always good to transition to more advanced and efficient technology, but it's quite obvious with Solyndra, Beacon Power, A123, Abound, etc. what happens when idiots try to force a transition by just dumping taxpayer money on the doorstep at some unproven businesses. Obozo has proven to be a failure at ALL of such ventures. How anyone could have voted for him a second time around after seeing such failure is beyond comprehension!" ============================================================= Right on, jeskibuff! But it's futile to expect more from folks with less between their ears. BO's agenda is to destroy the middle class as he was taught by his Marxist mentors. "Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil." KJV
Norm10 Champion Author British Columbia Posts:3,342 Points:162,925 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 8:35:25 AM Ignore Norm10 Report Abuse Natual gas is the way to go!
humblepie Champion Author Toledo Posts:34,304 Points:2,373,320 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 7:02:13 AM Ignore humblepie Report Abuse so much eco nonsense
Joeski1 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:10,012 Points:1,743,785 Joined:Dec 2004	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:23:16 AM Ignore Joeski1 Report Abuse coal... 100 years of cheap pollution.
jrschl Champion Author Louisville Posts:2,977 Points:683,015 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 5:56:05 AM Ignore jrschl Report Abuse What do they expect us to replace these plants with?
RUNNINONEMPTYFL Champion Author Florida Posts:1,408 Points:460,825 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 5:17:00 AM Ignore RUNNINONEMPTYFL Report Abuse Tree Huggers...
ktyson13 Champion Author Maryland Posts:1,546 Points:398,600 Joined:Aug 2010	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:59:20 AM Ignore ktyson13 Report Abuse i'm with SmokinJoe!
smokinjoe54 Champion Author Ohio Posts:4,728 Points:914,485 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:54:00 AM Ignore smokinjoe54 Report Abuse I thought the Pres. mission was to create jobs not destroy them. That's the main livelyhood for them. Coal burning is a lot cleaner than years ago with all the clean air restrictions that have been met.
swede Champion Author Cleveland Posts:3,777 Points:1,677,950 Joined:Feb 2003	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:47:55 AM Ignore swede Report Abuse Where do these environmentalists live? Do they live in Tennessee or in the Tennessee Valley Authorities energy grid? If they don't maybe the environmentalists should pay the difference in the cost of all the Gigawatts of electricity that it would cost to run electric generation plants with a different fuel.
isem Champion Author Missouri Posts:1,936 Points:425,135 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:45:17 AM Ignore isem Report Abuse The Eco-nuts create a lot of NOISE; don’t they realize that NOISE is a form of pollution too?
Jeffro61 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:2,282 Points:2,287,820 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:38:28 AM Ignore Jeffro61 Report Abuse Obama's war on coal. Killing jobs.
mandoid Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:7,311 Points:1,529,000 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:38:27 AM Ignore mandoid Report Abuse excellent comment jeskibuff
fordfan1 Champion Author Indiana Posts:9,102 Points:1,892,965 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:34:40 AM Ignore fordfan1 Report Abuse Of course they do!!!!!! These idiots will not be happy until we are sitting in the dark and we are using horses to get around on!!!!!!!
craigsf38 Champion Author Rochester Posts:5,723 Points:1,512,205 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:28:39 AM Ignore craigsf38 Report Abuse OK
fcdriver Champion Author Tennessee Posts:7,258 Points:1,475,780 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:28:37 AM Ignore fcdriver Report Abuse i thought they were opening a new one?
speedys Champion Author Utah Posts:7,027 Points:2,560,835 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:27:21 AM Ignore speedys Report Abuse They better get the new sources of power built before they tear down the old coal ones.
nb52 Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:7,790 Points:1,548,800 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:25:19 AM Ignore nb52 Report Abuse Our Maximum Leader has publicly stated, one of his goals was to end coal use as an energy source .
Clayton2000 Champion Author South Carolina Posts:2,419 Points:492,155 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:25:17 AM Ignore Clayton2000 Report Abuse Not good
subnuke Champion Author Atlanta Posts:7,503 Points:1,509,890 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:24:44 AM Ignore subnuke Report Abuse One first has to believe that carbon is the enemy. The only that are saying that are green enviros that want money for solar and wind that do nor preoduce and are very expensive.
ShabbyPA Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:2,815 Points:680,490 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:23:15 AM Ignore ShabbyPA Report Abuse no, I dont think so!!
Harry813 Champion Author Iowa Posts:3,010 Points:663,590 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:22:13 AM Ignore Harry813 Report Abuse I hope they think about the jobs that will be lost?
jeskibuff Champion Author Tampa Posts:7,895 Points:1,450,085 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:22:05 AM Ignore jeskibuff Report Abuse WonderfulMI said: "These coal-fired powerplants were built during the administration of Democratic president Franklin D Roosevelt, as part of an economic recovery package. As such, I would expect every Republican to demand the closure of these socialist inspired powerplants." Unlike Dumbocrats, most conservatives are not in favor of wasting resources, no matter who was responsible for building them. We can see the abject stupidity of liberals like Obozo who succeeded in sending millions of perfectly good vehicles to rot in junkyards across the nation. It's always good to transition to more advanced and efficient technology, but it's quite obvious with Solyndra, Beacon Power, A123, Abound, etc. what happens when idiots try to force a transition by just dumping taxpayer money on the doorstep at some unproven businesses. Obozo has proven to be a failure at ALL of such ventures. How anyone could have voted for him a second time around after seeing such failure is beyond comprehension!
sawdust1825 All-Star Author Illinois Posts:852 Points:438,605 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:21:56 AM Ignore sawdust1825 Report Abuse What's the alternative power source?
GasPriceHelp4u Champion Author Dayton Posts:2,697 Points:570,750 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:20:27 AM Ignore GasPriceHelp4u Report Abuse Darn tree-huggers.....get back to reality...what's more important now?
Elaine4411 Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:1,663 Points:465,515 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:18:47 AM Ignore Elaine4411 Report Abuse Interesting
Petrock Champion Author Lexington Posts:9,133 Points:2,559,710 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:17:59 AM Ignore Petrock Report Abuse And our utility costs will continue to rise more and more!
daytonabiker All-Star Author Florida Posts:929 Points:203,770 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:17:57 AM Ignore daytonabiker Report Abuse what will they replace them with nuke power plants?
JohnofGB Champion Author Flint Posts:5,431 Points:1,098,145 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:16:38 AM Ignore JohnofGB Report Abuse These people have a single vision without regards to the consequences in the near term.
skippypa Champion Author Hawaii Posts:8,486 Points:1,742,880 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:16:07 AM Ignore skippypa Report Abuse Ok it's good
alphanyr Champion Author Connecticut Posts:4,845 Points:677,700 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:15:16 AM Ignore alphanyr Report Abuse Ok
CarefulDriver All-Star Author Ann Arbor Posts:585 Points:236,145 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:13:58 AM Ignore CarefulDriver Report Abuse I don't know what I think about this.
WonderfulMI Champion Author Michigan Posts:11,660 Points:1,788,860 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:13:24 AM Ignore WonderfulMI Report Abuse These coal-fired powerplants were built during the administration of Democratic president Franklin D Roosevelt, as part of an economic recovery package. As such, I would expect every Republican to demand the closure of these socialist inspired powerplants.
DblChek Champion Author San Antonio Posts:2,345 Points:615,245 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:13:00 AM Ignore DblChek Report Abuse It seems we get what we ask for...or vote for (?)
bikerWI Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:1,428 Points:879,435 Joined:Apr 2010	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:12:30 AM Ignore bikerWI Report Abuse Clean coal is still good.
dar 1 Champion Author Michigan Posts:5,903 Points:446,615 Joined:Jan 2005	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:10:54 AM Ignore dar 1 Report Abuse Coal is cheap and we have LOTS of it.... its sad the days of cheap electric ARE GONE.
fillerupyeoww Champion Author Columbus Posts:5,890 Points:1,651,390 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:10:52 AM Ignore fillerupyeoww Report Abuse Start by turning off power to Sierra club members houses.