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Hidden Surveillance

Focus -- Not many people know that local police and the RCMP have already begun building a massive public traffic surveillance system. And no one knows how they’re going to use it.

The A News reporter and Nanaimo constable interwove: “amazing,” “blown away,” “overwhelming.” “This will revolutionize the way we police,” proclaimed Vancouver police in The Province.

Both media and police across North America have engaged in such trumpeting about Automatic Licence Plate Recognition (ALPR). The RCMP and BC government piloted ALPR in 2006 and have expanded it rapidly.

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Submitted Feb 04, 2012 By: NOTSOGRN

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mkohly Rookie Author Chicago Posts:81 Points:8,595 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Feb 6, 2012 6:16:48 AM Ignore mkohly Report Abuse And the cameras keep coming! Chicago just approved putting "speed" cameras near schools to "keep the children safe". Since schools are everywhere..., As most on this site already know, traffic cameras are a money grab. Not only does big brother get to monitor us 24/7 - we get to pay for it, either thru taxes or the fines collected!
jimgraham Champion Author Akron Posts:8,498 Points:1,618,680 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 8:31:57 PM Ignore jimgraham Report Abuse This needs to be sent to the bottom of the ocean and left there.
esq262 Champion Author Asheville Posts:1,191 Points:298,340 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 5:59:43 PM Ignore esq262 Report Abuse More indication that driving on the road is a privilege not a right.
Ahking Champion Author Orange County Posts:2,006 Points:329,095 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 5:28:33 PM Ignore Ahking Report Abuse more will come.
GasPasserAB Champion Author Edmonton Posts:18,677 Points:593,585 Joined:Apr 2010	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 2:32:01 PM Ignore GasPasserAB Report Abuse Is it too costly to have a patrol car drive through my neighbourhood occasionally or a traffic cop on the highways seeking out scofflaws?
SavingInNC Champion Author North Carolina Posts:4,144 Points:743,830 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 12:09:06 PM Ignore SavingInNC Report Abuse On their way to a police state, and one world government
northeast2 Champion Author New York Posts:3,173 Points:854,535 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 11:10:51 AM Ignore northeast2 Report Abuse Sorry to quote so many different pieces, but it is a long, important article that should scare everyone in Canada and the USA. "Meanwhile, according to the Privacy Impact Assessment, the RCMP is also keeping records for three months on the whereabouts of everybody else’s cars, too—this is called “non-hit” data." "What, our team asked, did keeping massive databases of records on everyone’s movements have to do with catching stolen vehicles or uninsured drivers?" "ALPR is definitely a make-work program for police officers—or one that seems to have little result other than possible citizen intimidation. Police easily get dozens of hit alerts per shift but, typically, less than one in four results in charges. Nelson explained that this is partly because police usually discover the cars of prohibited or suspended drivers are being legally driven by someone else. (Their whereabouts are still recorded and stored, though.)" "Parsons added that police themselves have traditionally limited and prioritized their investigations, because they simply couldn’t afford to conduct unlimited investigations on everyone. Cheap, modern surveillance technologies remove that limitation."
DanMtz Champion Author Oakland Posts:1,527 Points:882,275 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 11:07:55 AM Ignore DanMtz Report Abuse Something tells me one use will be to track the enemies of the people in power.
cmptrmush Champion Author Detroit Posts:1,769 Points:378,920 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 10:33:59 AM Ignore cmptrmush Report Abuse You have to love Big Brother.
fowlcan All-Star Author Oklahoma City Posts:667 Points:340,615 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 9:53:49 AM Ignore fowlcan Report Abuse Sorry I have read this: Wrong category. This is the gas/oil price channel.
wild3bill Champion Author New York Posts:2,191 Points:1,502,275 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 9:31:39 AM Ignore wild3bill Report Abuse But that is in Canadar S what. I'll worry about that if I get to Canada
wild3bill Champion Author New York Posts:2,191 Points:1,502,275 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 9:29:16 AM Ignore wild3bill Report Abuse Sounds like 1984
playtimeCLE Champion Author Cleveland Posts:6,470 Points:1,185,625 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 9:12:49 AM Ignore playtimeCLE Report Abuse Newer, somewhat high end GPS units can warn you if your coming up to a traffic camera. Until our government outlaws them too.
reidlej Veteran Author Columbus Posts:359 Points:282,795 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 8:47:38 AM Ignore reidlej Report Abuse Starts to sound like 1984....
leraar2 Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:1,950 Points:429,870 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 8:39:26 AM Ignore leraar2 Report Abuse need laws that limit the scanning computers to only the plates actively sought in FELONY cases. laws that purge all data after a 48 HOUR CYCLE. etc., etc.
MidNJ Champion Author New Jersey Posts:5,482 Points:842,450 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 8:32:46 AM Ignore MidNJ Report Abuse Is, "Person of Interest" a reality, or just a TV show?
molebaby96 All-Star Author Tallahassee Posts:739 Points:167,275 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 7:08:47 AM Ignore molebaby96 Report Abuse Big Brother is watching you! But is he watch himself, this is a recipe for corruption.
lesandliz Sophomore Author New Orleans Posts:125 Points:144,685 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 7:07:40 AM Ignore lesandliz Report Abuse the MAN needs to give us a break...
YaBassa All-Star Author Michigan Posts:599 Points:155,035 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 7:04:56 AM Ignore YaBassa Report Abuse Ever closer to a police state.
Mark8601 Veteran Author Bakersfield Posts:424 Points:125,445 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 6:41:20 AM Ignore Mark8601 Report Abuse If you build it they will come.
TomT2Lee Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:4,217 Points:1,265,845 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 6:23:54 AM Ignore TomT2Lee Report Abuse Have to keep a close eye on the slaves. Don't want them to become organized and revolt.
4wheel Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:16,848 Points:2,380,705 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 5:54:30 AM Ignore 4wheel Report Abuse Nothing here about gas milage or the price of oil!
scu227 Champion Author New Haven Posts:2,215 Points:420,675 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 5:53:14 AM Ignore scu227 Report Abuse And this effecting gas prices how?
JamesCalvin Champion Author Lancaster Posts:1,258 Points:161,100 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 5:46:22 AM Ignore JamesCalvin Report Abuse Smile and say CHeeeeeeeeze!
Rockyguitar All-Star Author Tampa Posts:851 Points:874,445 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 5:44:16 AM Ignore Rockyguitar Report Abuse More cameras. More smart meters. More online surveillance. When will it end?
humblepie Champion Author Toledo Posts:17,343 Points:2,010,295 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 5:29:03 AM Ignore humblepie Report Abuse pisser eh ?
07skydriver Champion Author Ohio Posts:1,463 Points:629,780 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 4:58:22 AM Ignore 07skydriver Report Abuse Just stay home. (There are hidden cameras there too.)
Chem60 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:1,903 Points:453,500 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 4:50:17 AM Ignore Chem60 Report Abuse For the folks chuckling it is happening in Canada. Well it is also happening in DC and Miami, etc.
TRYWI All-Star Author Appleton Posts:566 Points:118,215 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 4:20:05 AM Ignore TRYWI Report Abuse What's next?
wendy1john32 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:1,265 Points:758,670 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 3:14:50 AM Ignore wendy1john32 Report Abuse 1984 was just a little bit early.
MN1 Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:1,518 Points:296,810 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 2:06:42 AM Ignore MN1 Report Abuse Our newly expanded Big Brother of the North.
BIGOILEATURCRUD Champion Author North Carolina Posts:3,660 Points:1,020,285 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 2:03:51 AM Ignore BIGOILEATURCRUD Report Abuse Person of Interest
Fuggheddabowdit Veteran Author Phoenix Posts:304 Points:47,620 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 1:51:58 AM Ignore Fuggheddabowdit Report Abuse LESS Smoke And Mirrors . . . LESS Government . . . LESS Spending . . . LESS Fear-Mongering . . . MORE Jobs . . .
Double_Golden All-Star Author San Francisco Posts:740 Points:243,805 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 1:13:23 AM Ignore Double_Golden Report Abuse privacy privacy privacy !!!
Vetteblu Champion Author Denver Posts:1,647 Points:468,665 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 12:20:16 AM Ignore Vetteblu Report Abuse Big Brother is just getting bigger!
Road-Runner Champion Author Denver Posts:6,409 Points:1,775,295 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 12:04:56 AM Ignore Road-Runner Report Abuse Plate recognition is already common in the U.S. Just wait for the "red light" cameras on every corner. Then we in North America will be in a police state, just like Britain.
Vette1967 Champion Author Albany Posts:4,169 Points:919,320 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2012 11:58:25 PM Ignore Vette1967 Report Abuse It's only the beginning.
Amplion Champion Author Oregon Posts:4,809 Points:1,504,295 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2012 11:35:23 PM Ignore Amplion Report Abuse BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING !!!!!!!
JohnofGB Champion Author Flint Posts:3,612 Points:737,145 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2012 11:32:27 PM Ignore JohnofGB Report Abuse Interesting. The eye in sky concept.
1momsunshine Champion Author Ottawa Posts:3,646 Points:645,895 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2012 10:32:31 PM Ignore 1momsunshine Report Abuse Interesting
NOTSOGRN Champion Author Michigan Posts:1,512 Points:1,182,360 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2012 10:30:26 PM Ignore NOTSOGRN Report Abuse . . Dudley can do no wrong...
trinda1 Champion Author Fort Worth Posts:1,752 Points:401,940 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2012 10:16:41 PM Ignore trinda1 Report Abuse Peeping tongues. Unlawfully invading in on my privacy I
MINIWINI598 Champion Author Washington Posts:1,038 Points:159,375 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2012 10:13:55 PM Ignore MINIWINI598 Report Abuse Interesting!
ExplorerWA Champion Author Washington Posts:2,247 Points:435,665 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2012 10:08:54 PM Ignore ExplorerWA Report Abuse From the article “The public needs to know what’s going on...The concept that somebody’s going to record where I was, at a point in time, for no reason, with no probable cause, with no warrant, with no anything...And it’s not just me, it’s going to be thousands of people. Every day. It’s too much. It crosses a line...It’s not what I think we need, or is safe to have, in a democratic society.” This here now and growing. We will be watched and tracking from dawn to dusk whether we are in our homes or our cars. Everywhere we go.
Throroughbred Champion Author Cleveland Posts:1,031 Points:1,210,745 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2012 9:53:41 PM Ignore Throroughbred Report Abuse Get reflective plate covers and watch all the cameras along most of our streets and highways. Big brother continues to grow!!!
feldos Champion Author Florida Posts:2,640 Points:322,050 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2012 9:51:09 PM Ignore feldos Report Abuse Big Brother is watching up North, eh?
Pozole Champion Author Portland Posts:7,236 Points:1,233,600 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2012 9:41:53 PM Ignore Pozole Report Abuse ...it's happening more and more, mostly in cities and along major freeways...think you can slide ?...think again...news like this make me want to get those reflective covers than don't allow license plates to show in photos... [Edited by: Pozole at 2/4/2012 11:45:48 PM EST]
Cothrom All-Star Author South Carolina Posts:615 Points:384,145 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2012 9:20:11 PM Ignore Cothrom Report Abuse Guess someones got to watch us
joekayak All-Star Author Massachusetts Posts:756 Points:408,515 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2012 9:11:26 PM Ignore joekayak Report Abuse Big brother is definitely watching you.
lesndave Champion Author Texas Posts:1,251 Points:342,530 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2012 8:44:25 PM Ignore lesndave Report Abuse Not surprising...... Not really relative to this sight though....