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No Halt on Planned E15 Gas Sales

Hot Rod -- We’ve repeatedly heard mumblings that ethanol fuels are causing issues in older vehicles, boats and gas powered equipment. Ethanol has been in gasoline for years, but the percentage is rising, and the watchdogs at SEMA are concerned about it. According to a recent article in SEMA News, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit threw out a lawsuit challenging the EPA’s approval of E15 (15% ethanol) for ’01 and newer cars and trucks.

“The Court’s decision is disappointing for the millions of motorists who own older cars or those with high-performance specialty parts,” said Steve McDonald, SEMA vice president of government affairs. “These vehicles and parts are threatened with destruction by E15’s chemical properties. The EPA acknowledged the threat but, beyond minimal

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Banjoe Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:4,252 Points:614,265 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jan 21, 2013 5:03:47 AM Ignore Banjoe Report Abuse eomc17 - great comment.
dabayer Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:2,748 Points:623,080 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 1:37:02 PM Ignore dabayer Report Abuse Simple statement: NO FOOD FOR FUEL! E15 is just as wrong as E10 is. Increases cost and provides 10-15% less mpg.
blupupher Champion Author Houston Posts:3,550 Points:748,045 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 12:05:24 PM Ignore blupupher Report Abuse e-15 is just bad. There is no savings for the consumer and no vehicles are designed for it except for e-85 vehicles. I will avoid e-15 at all cost.
jbrad4 All-Star Author Dallas Posts:801 Points:476,420 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 9:59:56 AM Ignore jbrad4 Report Abuse Corn is for food, not for ethanol.
Amplion Champion Author Oregon Posts:6,767 Points:1,865,060 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:31:47 PM Ignore Amplion Report Abuse BAN ETHANOL !!!!!
Night Owl Champion Author Toronto Posts:7,555 Points:1,787,575 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:07:47 PM Ignore Night Owl Report Abuse Yes, no more ethanol.
NedW Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:5,614 Points:1,142,245 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:56:05 PM Ignore NedW Report Abuse Ban ethanol.
alterman156 Champion Author New York Posts:7,485 Points:1,557,525 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 7:43:02 PM Ignore alterman156 Report Abuse They shouldn't sell E-15 period.
BlueVanGroup Champion Author Colorado Posts:7,204 Points:1,528,495 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 7:24:31 PM Ignore BlueVanGroup Report Abuse Why would progressive politicians allow reality to get in the way of their pie-in-the-sky vision?
tankumo Veteran Author Vancouver Posts:397 Points:69,760 Joined:Dec 2012	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 7:16:37 PM Ignore tankumo Report Abuse Switch compressive natural gas or diesel to get better MPG.
PathfinderSC Champion Author South Carolina Posts:9,521 Points:1,831,615 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 5:43:18 PM Ignore PathfinderSC Report Abuse Years ago out Government listen to the people, Today they don't care what we say. We don't have a say.
eomc17 Champion Author Tucson Posts:1,822 Points:134,145 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 4:43:59 PM Ignore eomc17 Report Abuse Our idiot government has no clue that many millions of us rely on our clunkers to get around and do not have the money or credit to buy overpriced hybrids, electric cars, or so called fuel efficient cars.
Tekkersmom57 Champion Author Syracuse Posts:1,879 Points:701,190 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 4:25:23 PM Ignore Tekkersmom57 Report Abuse ENOUGH with the E15 being shoved down our throats. I don't want it, most on this site don't want it....WHY does the government march on when there is so much objection. Whose pocket are they in? The EPA needs to clean house and get some new clear opinions.
werich44 Champion Author California Posts:1,857 Points:468,955 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 3:59:49 PM Ignore werich44 Report Abuse Rest assured, E15 will be around for the next four years.
crep1291 Champion Author Ottawa Posts:2,579 Points:481,045 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 2:32:40 PM Ignore crep1291 Report Abuse As long as I have a choice of fuels, I don't mind the sale of E15 or E85.
qwerty17 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:3,655 Points:1,117,900 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 1:41:52 PM Ignore qwerty17 Report Abuse plan better.
bwatchingu Champion Author Arkansas Posts:1,740 Points:601,520 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:53:57 AM Ignore bwatchingu Report Abuse Ban all ethanol!
Taxrefugee Champion Author Arizona Posts:1,402 Points:386,995 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:23:31 AM Ignore Taxrefugee Report Abuse Full and fair disclosure, then let the buyer decide.
Skunk63 Champion Author Phoenix Posts:2,557 Points:558,395 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:55:32 AM Ignore Skunk63 Report Abuse Ethanol is crap.
CVA19 Champion Author Salem Posts:2,393 Points:609,575 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:52:22 AM Ignore CVA19 Report Abuse Not in my gas tanks!
Chas58 All-Star Author Detroit Posts:968 Points:285,195 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:19:49 AM Ignore Chas58 Report Abuse It's hard to figure EPA out. They want higher MPG and then want to mandate a fuel that gets lower MPG?
sydb7 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,557 Points:1,919,755 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:17:36 AM Ignore sydb7 Report Abuse No food for fuel! Ban blended ethanol! Good idea, bad execution!
LongPlay Champion Author Albuquerque Posts:4,243 Points:1,240,175 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:15:47 AM Ignore LongPlay Report Abuse Stupid!! Get rid of Ethanol!!
Ticobird Champion Author Huntsville Posts:3,231 Points:1,116,015 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:11:03 AM Ignore Ticobird Report Abuse Hopefully this one instance of throwing out the ethanol lawsuit will just strengthen the argument of the following lawsuits. I believe the consumer will ultimately win this but it may take a while. The EPA has seriously overstepped their regulatory authority of the environment to side with self/special interest groups in the excessive use of fuel ethanol not needed to control air pollution. I believe that E5 is all that the EPA should be able to regulate as far as air pollution is concerned. For those GasBuddys who may not know about the basis of using ethanol in fuel it was substituted as a replacement oxygenator for MTBE when MTBE was found in groundwater due to leaking fuel tanks. MTBE and ethanol are both used as octane boosters for their anti-knocking properties as well. MTBE is classified as a human carcinogen so there was cause for action.
Don20 Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:9,672 Points:2,619,630 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:10:26 AM Ignore Don20 Report Abuse The people making decision know noting about mechanics or the way vehicles are put together, THAT IS A FACT. They have been told many times that ethanol is corrosive to Aluminum, plastic and rubber. So now they want to put more aluminum in new vehicles to make the lighter...?? Where is the intelligence in that..
TRAIN RIDER Champion Author San Bernardino Posts:9,082 Points:2,757,820 Joined:Oct 2004	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:58:28 AM Ignore TRAIN RIDER Report Abuse Our congressional leaders are the one who are mandating this. Vote them out if you don't like this.
BossPal All-Star Author Illinois Posts:542 Points:239,735 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:57:29 AM Ignore BossPal Report Abuse Its part of the master plan our government supports with the subsidies to the corn growers, the auto manufacturers are silently smiling... their automobiles wont last as long hence you have to buy a new one and those americans that maintained their autos for as long as they can would have to pay more to maitain if not forced to have to buy new sooner. so its win win for the government and business it keeps the economy going right?
MacDad614 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,032 Points:1,176,810 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:56:12 AM Ignore MacDad614 Report Abuse RAE said "This a deliberate attack on those who can not afford new cars or even late model cars. The older vehicles can't tolerate E15. Another reason Obama hates the middle class and poor." Tin-foil hat and windows covered with aluminum foil?
Ken2OD Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:9,072 Points:1,971,940 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:53:30 AM Ignore Ken2OD Report Abuse I am forced to use the E-10 mandated by Michigan law. Enough is ENOUGH!
91_Metro_Man Champion Author Ventura Posts:1,827 Points:1,569,435 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:29:32 AM Ignore 91_Metro_Man Report Abuse Ethanol is better in a glass with ice then in the tank.
tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:33,017 Points:2,345,510 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:29:10 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse No Halt on Planned E15 Gas Sales? NO E-15! NO E-10! No Fuel from Food! Only straight, 100% pure, E-0 non blended gasoline is 'A Good Thing!' Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, vehicle manufactures Produce and the population ‘Drives’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. The price of fuel at the pump is too high! XII/XXII/MMXII! - The Day After......
pper Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:3,084 Points:669,870 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:28:49 AM Ignore pper Report Abuse Create repair jobs by causing our cars to malfunction.
2khawk Champion Author Iowa Posts:5,259 Points:928,025 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:28:24 AM Ignore 2khawk Report Abuse As long as the EPA plans on fixing Americans' broken cars.
FogCitySpotter Champion Author San Francisco Posts:2,488 Points:521,425 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:27:50 AM Ignore FogCitySpotter Report Abuse Ok
The3rd Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:2,866 Points:827,985 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:26:22 AM Ignore The3rd Report Abuse Ethanol has eaten the fuel lines and diaphragms in more than one piece of my lawn equipment.
Tsunamiron Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:1,429 Points:557,725 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:26:15 AM Ignore Tsunamiron Report Abuse Ethanol is great for the repair shops. Nobody else.
slayur Champion Author Chicago Posts:1,533 Points:1,217,520 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:25:26 AM Ignore slayur Report Abuse I won't use it
Diesel_Ram Champion Author Dallas Posts:6,502 Points:1,518,460 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:25:14 AM Ignore Diesel_Ram Report Abuse Ethanol is bad any way you look at it!!!
sivart Champion Author Arkansas Posts:18,225 Points:3,070,960 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:25:03 AM Ignore sivart Report Abuse NO, NO, NO TO ETHANOL!!!!!
scu227 Champion Author New Haven Posts:4,152 Points:771,880 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:24:36 AM Ignore scu227 Report Abuse Now the grocery prices will skyrocket even further than they have already.
bell05 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:9,255 Points:1,876,610 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:24:29 AM Ignore bell05 Report Abuse Since Obummer the liar, the good guys can't seem win at any thing.
infinititom All-Star Author Dallas Posts:994 Points:517,380 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:23:31 AM Ignore infinititom Report Abuse Could be a boon for auto repair shops replacing damaged engines.
ARCO Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:2,348 Points:2,377,370 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:23:27 AM Ignore ARCO Report Abuse THIS IS GARBAGE
my2002m Champion Author Tulsa Posts:6,074 Points:1,670,300 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:23:21 AM Ignore my2002m Report Abuse I'm not going to buy it.
fisherMI Veteran Author Michigan Posts:259 Points:22,155 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:23:17 AM Ignore fisherMI Report Abuse E15 is good for cars but from what I know it is bad for the marine industry. Maybe there should a refined or better blend added to the mix
Wolfwings Champion Author Delaware Posts:8,740 Points:1,776,465 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:22:58 AM Ignore Wolfwings Report Abuse If it is forced on me, I'll stop driving altogether. I wonder how maNY BUSSES THE GUMMINT CAN BUY... [Edited by: Wolfwings at 1/19/2013 10:23:46 AM EST]
Tnerbeel Champion Author Houston Posts:8,824 Points:1,748,835 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:22:45 AM Ignore Tnerbeel Report Abuse Yet another EPA over reach. This department is becoming the Gestapo of the Obama administration.
Hangnail309 Champion Author Manitoba Posts:6,024 Points:1,677,180 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:22:30 AM Ignore Hangnail309 Report Abuse We need to get rid of ethanol in fuel.
Hi1 Champion Author Ontario Posts:4,855 Points:1,724,610 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:21:31 AM Ignore Hi1 Report Abuse I do not think i will ever believe in ethanol.
LuthierKS Champion Author Wichita Posts:3,747 Points:729,930 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:19:34 AM Ignore LuthierKS Report Abuse The stupidity goes on and on and on . . .