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Rising Solar Energy Output Drives German & French Power Prices To Record Lows Read more at http://cl

Clean Technica -- Renewable energy critics and opponents continue to zoom in on the intermittent nature of solar and wind energy in their efforts to undermine and derail the transition away from centralized, mass production of energy based on burning fossil fuels.

Even at this early stage of a much belated evolutionary process, empirical evidence and ongoing technological advances, as well as pro clean energy and sustainable development polices and market developments, highlight the fallacy of their arguments.

Observed evidence (two examples here and here) indicates that coupled with adequate grid infrastructure and energy policy reform, solar and wind power generation — on and off-grid — can reduce carbon and greenhouse gas emissions and enhance the security and resiliency of power supplies without


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honda0105
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my2002: at least the ROI is improving.
my2002m
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:14:05 PM

Only after a massive and expensive effort to build it. Still not cost effective.
MadFueler
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 5:28:39 PM

It's good to see that the price of grid electricity is going down somewhere, particularly and expensive area like Central Europe.

teafortwo: Archimedes made sunbeams weapons of war a couple of millenia ago, but we're not trying to repel wooden ships from Rome now; however, you might find this interesting: White Sands home to Army's largest solar power system
teafortwo
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 2:07:04 PM


"I have no doubt that we will be successful in harnessing the sun's energy....
If sunbeams were weapons of war, we would have had solar energy centuries ago."

~ Sir George Porter
teafortwo
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 1:53:50 PM


"The use of solar energy has not been opened up because the oil industry does not own the sun."

~ Ralph Nader
DarthDadJr
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 1:31:57 PM

To get there takes a huge investment...much of it subsidized by their government and the tax payer...so even though their prices are low, the true cost is hidden in the higher taxes they are paying.
must87searcher
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 12:03:01 PM

There is still a lot of development/testing to down before solar could really but to work. Solar is useful in small things, like calculators, but even fossil fuels need time and developement for perfection.
sydb7
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:14:37 AM

Support Alternative fuel sources!

[Edited by: sydb7 at 1/18/2013 12:15:05 PM EST]
gas_too_high
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:41:57 AM

This article reads more like an advocacy piece, rather than a supposedly impartial news item.

Solar and wind power have contributions to make, but they are nothing close to a complete energy solution, for "clean energy" or energy independence or anything else.

GTH
humblepie
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:35:45 AM

then why is germany saying it moved way too fast ?

[Edited by: humblepie at 1/18/2013 11:36:32 AM EST]
badbonita
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:16:05 AM

Also agree with Gascapade.
Minutefan
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:46:53 AM

what Gascapade said...
Gascapade
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:41:56 AM

Cleaner air and lower prices, excellent and awesome! Here in the USA there's sentiment for keeping us slaves to the corrupt, colluded, rampantly speculated, and price manipulated crude distillate market......
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:30:20 AM

COMPLETELY agreed Runner!
murushi
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:27:16 AM

Yes! I've been saying it for year: solar is the key. Every sunny state in the US, and even others, would benefit greatly from at least a solar boiler on every private house roof instead of putting the boilers in the basement and spending gas/electricity to heat the water. It can be done, and inexpensively too. Israel has been doing it for decades - it's mandated that every new house is built with solar water boilers. And the boilers are not nearly as expensive as those available in North America.

And from there, just expand it: solar cell roof etc.
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:24:41 AM

data manipulation can make the case that fuel is free - it depends on what costs are included in the calculation - so I am skeptical
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:22:38 AM

Isn't Europe just great!!!
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:16:00 AM

It's nice to have lower power prices.
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:14:06 AM

Lets see what happens here
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:09:11 AM

Anybody remember the movie "Money Pit"???
JoeKR
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:09:08 AM

Record lows is a good thing!
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:08:50 AM

A complete change to renewable will require a complete lifestyle change. I don't believe the majority of people are ready. Do you want to schedule you meals around the wind blowing on a sunny day? Or, have to go to a grid connected place to finish the Super Bowl game?
tndirtydawg
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:08:20 AM

Lets see if the U.S. can do the same thing.
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:07:05 AM

France and Germany are both northern countries where the sun isn't so reliable as in the US. However, if these renewable energy sources can be made to work in Northern Europe they could work here.
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:06:46 AM

I like to see the price of SOMETHING going down.
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:06:02 AM

It's nice to have lower power prices.
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:04:55 AM

Sure it is LOL.
JohnLM
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:03:40 AM

This sounds like mindless feel-good lefty speculation. Of course Germany's free to do what it wants. Hopefully they don't end up with frequent power shortages when the sun doesn't shine (you know, they call it night) and the wind doesn't blow.
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:03:28 AM

I have traveled extensively in both countries when I was stationed there after WWII from early 1955 through late 1957. I find it amazing that these two countries are even talking to each other since they seldom agree on anything.
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:02:18 AM


More propaganda for solar energy!
dad2two
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:59:52 AM

I do not think the price reduction has to do with solar output.
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:59:41 AM

Does this really surprise anyone?
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:59:40 AM

Not believing anything anymore.
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:59:36 AM

great story hope it happens here
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:57:45 AM

I wonder what the writer ("Andrew") does for a living. Should the need ever arise again, for a Minister of Propaganda, this guy is a "shoe in'!
BillHeatherL
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:56:31 AM

will it lower gas prices
Lologogo
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:56:13 AM

There's Europe, showing up America again, this time with their forward thinking on clean energy. This is important people!
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:56:06 AM

Nice to see someone working to reduce fossil fuel usage. Would be nice to see that happen around here.
bart_reed
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:54:41 AM

The sun is pulling ahead.
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:54:20 AM

Excellent!
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:53:47 AM

Its all good...bring on the alternatives
albert2008
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:53:44 AM

make it work
mark1962
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:53:12 AM

Sounds good
40mpgsaturn
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:52:55 AM

We need all sources of energy!
paulweb
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:51:56 AM

Thumbs up for clean energy.
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:51:49 AM

all forms energy should be invested in
Don20
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:51:47 AM

Solar and wind are both good, but not reliable all the time. Sometimes the wind does not blow and the sun does not shine
Jamer
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:50:56 AM

Should work here in Las Vegas.
jamie12704
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:50:46 AM

go solar, and electrons, bad news for the oil boys
henryeOH
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:49:13 AM

How about solar for cars. On rainy days use fuel, on sunny days use solar
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:49:04 AM

we need more competition here in california to drive prices down
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