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Rising Solar Energy Output Drives German & French Power Prices To Record Lows Read more at http://cl

Clean Technica -- Renewable energy critics and opponents continue to zoom in on the intermittent nature of solar and wind energy in their efforts to undermine and derail the transition away from centralized, mass production of energy based on burning fossil fuels.

Even at this early stage of a much belated evolutionary process, empirical evidence and ongoing technological advances, as well as pro clean energy and sustainable development polices and market developments, highlight the fallacy of their arguments.

Observed evidence (two examples here and here) indicates that coupled with adequate grid infrastructure and energy policy reform, solar and wind power generation — on and off-grid — can reduce carbon and greenhouse gas emissions and enhance the security and resiliency of power supplies without

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,818 Points:1,636,245 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jan 21, 2013 6:02:14 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse my2002: at least the ROI is improving.
my2002m Champion Author Tulsa Posts:6,208 Points:1,697,005 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:14:05 PM Ignore my2002m Report Abuse Only after a massive and expensive effort to build it. Still not cost effective.
MadFueler Champion Author Winston-Salem Posts:1,079 Points:199,235 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 5:28:39 PM Ignore MadFueler Report Abuse It's good to see that the price of grid electricity is going down somewhere, particularly and expensive area like Central Europe. teafortwo: Archimedes made sunbeams weapons of war a couple of millenia ago, but we're not trying to repel wooden ships from Rome now; however, you might find this interesting: White Sands home to Army's largest solar power system
teafortwo Champion Author Washington Posts:22,370 Points:1,410,965 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 2:07:04 PM Ignore teafortwo Report Abuse "I have no doubt that we will be successful in harnessing the sun's energy.... If sunbeams were weapons of war, we would have had solar energy centuries ago." ~ Sir George Porter
teafortwo Champion Author Washington Posts:22,370 Points:1,410,965 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 1:53:50 PM Ignore teafortwo Report Abuse "The use of solar energy has not been opened up because the oil industry does not own the sun." ~ Ralph Nader
DarthDadJr Champion Author Virginia Posts:7,427 Points:1,545,670 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 1:31:57 PM Ignore DarthDadJr Report Abuse To get there takes a huge investment...much of it subsidized by their government and the tax payer...so even though their prices are low, the true cost is hidden in the higher taxes they are paying.
must87searcher Champion Author Maryland Posts:9,117 Points:1,807,175 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 12:03:01 PM Ignore must87searcher Report Abuse There is still a lot of development/testing to down before solar could really but to work. Solar is useful in small things, like calculators, but even fossil fuels need time and developement for perfection.
sydb7 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,656 Points:1,941,820 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:14:37 AM Ignore sydb7 Report Abuse Support Alternative fuel sources! [Edited by: sydb7 at 1/18/2013 12:15:05 PM EST]
gas_too_high Champion Author Columbus Posts:11,686 Points:1,959,415 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:41:57 AM Ignore gas_too_high Report Abuse This article reads more like an advocacy piece, rather than a supposedly impartial news item. Solar and wind power have contributions to make, but they are nothing close to a complete energy solution, for "clean energy" or energy independence or anything else. GTH
humblepie Champion Author Toledo Posts:35,301 Points:2,398,095 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:35:45 AM Ignore humblepie Report Abuse then why is germany saying it moved way too fast ? [Edited by: humblepie at 1/18/2013 11:36:32 AM EST]
badbonita Champion Author Syracuse Posts:6,361 Points:1,380,435 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:16:05 AM Ignore badbonita Report Abuse Also agree with Gascapade.
Minutefan Champion Author Springfield Posts:3,409 Points:1,271,370 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:46:53 AM Ignore Minutefan Report Abuse what Gascapade said...
Gascapade Champion Author Fort Worth Posts:3,152 Points:501,660 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:41:56 AM Ignore Gascapade Report Abuse Cleaner air and lower prices, excellent and awesome! Here in the USA there's sentiment for keeping us slaves to the corrupt, colluded, rampantly speculated, and price manipulated crude distillate market......
BigOyl All-Star Author Wichita Posts:962 Points:373,005 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:30:20 AM Ignore BigOyl Report Abuse COMPLETELY agreed Runner!
murushi Champion Author Ontario Posts:8,232 Points:1,519,625 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:27:16 AM Ignore murushi Report Abuse Yes! I've been saying it for year: solar is the key. Every sunny state in the US, and even others, would benefit greatly from at least a solar boiler on every private house roof instead of putting the boilers in the basement and spending gas/electricity to heat the water. It can be done, and inexpensively too. Israel has been doing it for decades - it's mandated that every new house is built with solar water boilers. And the boilers are not nearly as expensive as those available in North America. And from there, just expand it: solar cell roof etc.
Chinto12 Champion Author Illinois Posts:1,037 Points:414,955 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:24:41 AM Ignore Chinto12 Report Abuse data manipulation can make the case that fuel is free - it depends on what costs are included in the calculation - so I am skeptical
cssco Champion Author Virginia Posts:7,463 Points:1,778,195 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:22:38 AM Ignore cssco Report Abuse Isn't Europe just great!!!
Hangnail309 Champion Author Manitoba Posts:6,158 Points:1,703,885 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:16:00 AM Ignore Hangnail309 Report Abuse It's nice to have lower power prices.
truckpdlr Champion Author Tucson Posts:3,081 Points:1,122,740 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:14:06 AM Ignore truckpdlr Report Abuse Lets see what happens here
calripken_8 Champion Author Virginia Posts:3,036 Points:685,915 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:09:11 AM Ignore calripken_8 Report Abuse Anybody remember the movie "Money Pit"???
JoeKR Champion Author New Jersey Posts:9,604 Points:1,761,590 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:09:08 AM Ignore JoeKR Report Abuse Record lows is a good thing!
babyjudy Champion Author Tucson Posts:2,874 Points:588,460 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:08:50 AM Ignore babyjudy Report Abuse A complete change to renewable will require a complete lifestyle change. I don't believe the majority of people are ready. Do you want to schedule you meals around the wind blowing on a sunny day? Or, have to go to a grid connected place to finish the Super Bowl game?
tndirtydawg Champion Author Memphis Posts:1,278 Points:672,615 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:08:20 AM Ignore tndirtydawg Report Abuse Lets see if the U.S. can do the same thing.
hwmillerster Champion Author Missouri Posts:6,924 Points:1,492,070 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:07:05 AM Ignore hwmillerster Report Abuse France and Germany are both northern countries where the sun isn't so reliable as in the US. However, if these renewable energy sources can be made to work in Northern Europe they could work here.
mysub Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:9,046 Points:2,357,190 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:06:46 AM Ignore mysub Report Abuse I like to see the price of SOMETHING going down.
Rednix Champion Author Miami Posts:6,293 Points:1,302,460 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:06:02 AM Ignore Rednix Report Abuse It's nice to have lower power prices.
jjewell Champion Author San Bernardino Posts:9,390 Points:1,248,995 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:04:55 AM Ignore jjewell Report Abuse Sure it is LOL.
JohnLM Champion Author Orlando Posts:1,046 Points:538,230 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:03:40 AM Ignore JohnLM Report Abuse This sounds like mindless feel-good lefty speculation. Of course Germany's free to do what it wants. Hopefully they don't end up with frequent power shortages when the sun doesn't shine (you know, they call it night) and the wind doesn't blow.
Ken2OD Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:9,208 Points:1,998,665 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:03:28 AM Ignore Ken2OD Report Abuse I have traveled extensively in both countries when I was stationed there after WWII from early 1955 through late 1957. I find it amazing that these two countries are even talking to each other since they seldom agree on anything.
INBwana Champion Author Indiana Posts:5,702 Points:722,710 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:02:18 AM Ignore INBwana Report Abuse More propaganda for solar energy!
dad2two Champion Author Dallas Posts:3,649 Points:773,370 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:59:52 AM Ignore dad2two Report Abuse I do not think the price reduction has to do with solar output.
ItsMorph Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:33,656 Points:3,212,260 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:59:41 AM Ignore ItsMorph Report Abuse Does this really surprise anyone?
us30ride Champion Author Fort Wayne Posts:3,464 Points:739,340 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:59:40 AM Ignore us30ride Report Abuse Not believing anything anymore.
bigLtowing Champion Author Columbus Posts:2,974 Points:619,290 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:59:36 AM Ignore bigLtowing Report Abuse great story hope it happens here
AnnRKee Veteran Author Pennsylvania Posts:313 Points:21,420 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:57:45 AM Ignore AnnRKee Report Abuse I wonder what the writer ("Andrew") does for a living. Should the need ever arise again, for a Minister of Propaganda, this guy is a "shoe in'!
BillHeatherL Champion Author Alberta Posts:7,782 Points:1,951,355 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:56:31 AM Ignore BillHeatherL Report Abuse will it lower gas prices
Lologogo Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:1,380 Points:369,465 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:56:13 AM Ignore Lologogo Report Abuse There's Europe, showing up America again, this time with their forward thinking on clean energy. This is important people!
rasprout Champion Author Tacoma Posts:3,367 Points:1,243,935 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:56:06 AM Ignore rasprout Report Abuse Nice to see someone working to reduce fossil fuel usage. Would be nice to see that happen around here.
bart_reed Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:4,110 Points:812,355 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:54:41 AM Ignore bart_reed Report Abuse The sun is pulling ahead.
101Speedster Champion Author Ventura Posts:30,834 Points:2,741,445 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:54:20 AM Ignore 101Speedster Report Abuse Excellent!
paulp24 Champion Author Harrisburg Posts:4,676 Points:848,825 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:53:47 AM Ignore paulp24 Report Abuse Its all good...bring on the alternatives
albert2008 Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:7,487 Points:1,507,735 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:53:44 AM Ignore albert2008 Report Abuse make it work
mark1962 Champion Author Albany Posts:5,871 Points:1,292,215 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:53:12 AM Ignore mark1962 Report Abuse Sounds good
40mpgsaturn Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:2,595 Points:544,005 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:52:55 AM Ignore 40mpgsaturn Report Abuse We need all sources of energy!
paulweb All-Star Author Ohio Posts:907 Points:380,075 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:51:56 AM Ignore paulweb Report Abuse Thumbs up for clean energy.
vwilsonskis All-Star Author New Jersey Posts:868 Points:264,735 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:51:49 AM Ignore vwilsonskis Report Abuse all forms energy should be invested in
Don20 Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:9,809 Points:2,646,355 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:51:47 AM Ignore Don20 Report Abuse Solar and wind are both good, but not reliable all the time. Sometimes the wind does not blow and the sun does not shine
Jamer Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:8,897 Points:1,662,985 Joined:Jul 2002	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:50:56 AM Ignore Jamer Report Abuse Should work here in Las Vegas.
jamie12704 All-Star Author Minnesota Posts:669 Points:156,595 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:50:46 AM Ignore jamie12704 Report Abuse go solar, and electrons, bad news for the oil boys
henryeOH Champion Author Akron Posts:1,206 Points:65,770 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:49:13 AM Ignore henryeOH Report Abuse How about solar for cars. On rainy days use fuel, on sunny days use solar