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Solar power adds to nonusers' costs

The San Fransico Chronical -- By Christopher Martin and Mark Chediak -- Booming rooftop solar installations in California are bringing an unwelcome surprise to the homes and businesses that don't have the devices: an extra $1.3 billion added to their annual bills, more than half of that for Pacific Gas & Electric customers.

Power companies in the state, the nation's biggest for solar power, are required to buy electricity from home solar generators at the same price they resell it to other customers, meaning utilities earn nothing to cover their fixed costs. The rules are shortsighted because eventually rates must be raised to make up the difference, according to Southern California Edison, which has joined with competitors to estimate potential losses.
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"The problem exacerbates with each new system that goes on a roof," said Mark Bachman, . . .


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Submitted Dec 19, 2012 By: SUVFan
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LetemEatCake
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 3:41:46 PM


what? No sharp retort? Must be above your head.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 7:50:53 AM

I agree letemeatcake, I get an impression every time nsdp types as well!

[Edited by: drpepperTX at 12/21/2012 9:54:07 AM EST]
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 7:49:13 AM

"No, the idiot reporter doesn't know NARUC accounting..."

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Sounds like Cliff Clavin is hanging around on GB! ;^)
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LetemEatCake
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 9:07:25 PM


nsdp...I'm getting impressed about every time you open you mouth!
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nsdp
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 11:53:13 AM

No, the idiot reporter doesn't know NARUC accounting principles and used GAAP instead. NARUC is for rate making and GAAP is for tax and public finance. There are credits in the NARUC account system to compensate. Try to explain that to any one who isn't knowledgeable including many CPAs and their eyes will glaze over as they go into shock.

I see that the stupidity factor is quite high here. Rabbit tdi has the only intelligent post here. The rest are Anosognosics. DunningKruger syndrome http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/the-anosognosics-dilemma-1/

[Edited by: nsdp at 12/20/2012 1:59:03 PM EST]
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mst150
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 9:30:09 AM

No one foresaw this problem?
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 9:14:34 AM

A great article submission SUVfan, clearly it deserved a top spot on the news page.
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SUVFan
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 7:23:38 AM

I'm pleased to see this piece found the home page yesterday. Sorry about the typo in spelling Chronicle. Ouch.

Regarding the substance of the piece, the simple fact is that the way solar power is being implemented gives these "energy producers" a free ride on the grid that has to be made up by traditional users. And the argument "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" breaks down quickly as there are fewer and fewer traditional customers to pay for the grid. It's exposed pretty much as a ponzi scheme.
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gravityhurts
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 5:26:21 AM

Very sad. Every time you think something sounds good and it makes good use of natural resources something comes along to screw it up.
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Doomsday64
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:21:15 PM

people in California are getting screwed at every turn.
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jetskijerry
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:20:59 PM

crooks
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ican2step
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:19:00 PM

Quinn's First Law: "Liberalism (AKA: Obama Socialism) always creates the exact opposite of its stated intent"
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craigsf38
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:18:58 PM

Disappointing but not a surprise
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crreed1
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:17:01 PM

this will happen everywhere
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bridgerunner
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:16:55 PM

"...they have bigger problems than this..."
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So, so true!
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:16:13 PM

has PG & E ever been trustworthy ??..
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rabbit_tdi
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:15:38 PM

Hogwash. Every electric power rate schedule I have ever seen had a flat charge for the connection to the power grid, and on top of that was added a per kilowatt-hour charge for the electricity that one used (or subtracted, in the case of selling electricity to the power company).

The flat charge for the connection is supposed to cover the fixed costs of the meter, transformer, wires, poles, &c. The power company set this rate. If the flat charge is not large enough to cover these costs, whose fault is that? The power company's, of course!
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tedjm1
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:14:55 PM

Not a fair thing I expect. I would be furious to get billed higher nfor that reason.
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:14:51 PM

they have bigger problems than this
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:13:56 PM

Why should they pay retail.
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:12:56 PM

This can't continue indefinately.
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:12:17 PM

Well that is the cost of living in California. Just quite using electricity or get your own solar power.
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:10:30 PM

This is exactly the same kind of problem that occurs when more people start going on govt assistance/programs. Eventually, in order to pay for these, taxes on the productive must be raised.

Note to self: never become a CA resident.
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pa79th
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:09:43 PM

What does this have to do with the price of gasoline?
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:09:38 PM

A Californian style rip off
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:09:14 PM

but will it bring down costs overall?
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:08:08 PM

ok
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:04:57 PM

People in California are getting screwed at every turn.
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:04:53 PM

yup
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:04:30 PM

Okay.
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:03:39 PM

super ouch!
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:03:38 PM

This is another example of intrusive government doing more harm than good.
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:02:45 PM

I understand the issue and prices will eventually have to go up; it is just good to see the power companies that it in the shorts for a little while.
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:02:02 PM

ouch
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cheaper0ON
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 9:59:26 PM

Okay.
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 9:55:13 PM

Just great!!!
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 9:54:46 PM

should make it easier to install solar for people don't have it
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 9:52:53 PM

If you producing energy and the only place you could sell it was to your power operator you would want to get the same price they'd charge you for it. However, the power operator gets to sell it to your neighbors who don't have solar generators. You are actually helping.
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 9:51:04 PM

Any excuse to gouge people for more money and the governments don't care.
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 9:50:19 PM


Much cheaper than the subsidies necessary with a new nuclear power plant plus our future cost for disposal/storage of the spent fuel rods for 5000 years.
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 9:49:55 PM

"You can't purchase wholesale power at retail prices and not affect your bottom line," Bradford said. "Utilities are seeing it already."

More greenie nonsense being shown to hurt rather than help.
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 9:44:38 PM

no kidding
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 9:44:25 PM

PG&E probably came up with this twisted article.

We need more Solar not less.
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 9:40:20 PM

naturally
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 9:39:40 PM

Does not sound reasonable.
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 9:37:26 PM

Agree with jrsva. CA should rewrite rules to include provision like VA.
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 9:34:25 PM

That is criminal!
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 9:33:33 PM

ok
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 9:30:18 PM

Thieves.
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Of course.
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