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Why Consumer Reports and J.D. Power Are So Different

NY Times -- When Consumer Reports issued its 2012 Annual Auto Reliability Survey on Monday, the big news was that Ford had slid once again in the rankings, coming to rest in 27th place out of 28 brands included in the analysis.

That news also placed a focus on Jaguar, which was at the bottom of the list for the second consecutive year.

It all seemed so clear, unless one was also familiar with several studies done by J.D. Power & Associates, the market research firm.

Then one might say: “Wait a minute. I thought Jaguar had done well recently.”

And it had done well in one of those studies. The J.D. Power 2012 Initial Quality Study put Jaguar in the No. 2 spot (tied with Porsche) just behind the first-place Lexus.

If that seems puzzling in light of the Consumer Reports study, it can also seem strang

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remay Champion Author Houston Posts:6,963 Points:2,116,640 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Nov 1, 2012 6:35:10 AM Ignore remay Report Abuse I never TRIED to compare them. Why WOULD someone? One is a REAL-world scenario, the other is .... who knows what.
blupupher Champion Author Houston Posts:3,545 Points:747,070 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Nov 1, 2012 6:28:13 AM Ignore blupupher Report Abuse different set of statistics.
virostek Veteran Author Virginia Posts:423 Points:90,285 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Nov 1, 2012 6:04:04 AM Ignore virostek Report Abuse I thought JD powers is an advertisement and was created by ad men to sell cars?
clermont40miles Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:10,569 Points:1,771,920 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 9:55:56 PM Ignore clermont40miles Report Abuse Intended audience plays a large part of these reports. Different viewpoints and purposes. I don't pay attention to any of them.
camaro_man Champion Author Kitchener-Waterloo Posts:2,227 Points:610,070 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 7:49:59 PM Ignore camaro_man Report Abuse all who pays the most
elhefe2003 Sophomore Author New Orleans Posts:136 Points:27,580 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 7:44:07 PM Ignore elhefe2003 Report Abuse This just shows you when you go to make a large purchase do your homework. Look at it from all sides. Not just one source.
sillywagon Champion Author New York Posts:14,883 Points:1,440,370 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 7:43:37 PM Ignore sillywagon Report Abuse Sounds like Consumer Reports does a better analysis. J.D. Power? What? Do they expect car owners to only own a car for 90 days?
rjhenn Champion Author Des Moines Posts:22,438 Points:2,228,950 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 5:59:16 PM Ignore rjhenn Report Abuse As usual, most posters don't even bother to read the article. And some are just posting for points, cluttering the topic up with noise. From the General Forum Guidelines: Please keep your points earning posts in the Just For Fun forum. [Edited by: rjhenn at 10/31/2012 8:00:28 PM EST]
bwatchingu Champion Author Arkansas Posts:1,740 Points:600,645 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 4:55:35 PM Ignore bwatchingu Report Abuse hmmm
trekmanKY Champion Author Kentucky Posts:1,095 Points:358,235 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 4:39:35 PM Ignore trekmanKY Report Abuse I see! I think!
scubadaniel Champion Author Dayton Posts:1,416 Points:691,095 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 4:31:34 PM Ignore scubadaniel Report Abuse Companies know how to game the system.
voyagerkim All-Star Author Los Angeles Posts:620 Points:172,135 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 4:31:33 PM Ignore voyagerkim Report Abuse Guess Ford forgot to "grease" Consumer's palms!
PoohMcGoo Champion Author Alabama Posts:3,067 Points:799,835 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 4:27:31 PM Ignore PoohMcGoo Report Abuse Sounds like JD is full of crap.
shea33 Champion Author Pensacola Posts:2,363 Points:541,965 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 4:20:58 PM Ignore shea33 Report Abuse it's whoever is paying the bills
ramshot412 Champion Author Riverside Posts:20,147 Points:2,465,490 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 4:11:30 PM Ignore ramshot412 Report Abuse Okay.
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silvershark69 Champion Author Minnesota Posts:1,004 Points:377,940 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 4:07:17 PM Ignore silvershark69 Report Abuse I take their reports with a grain of salt, and not much more. Consumer Reports I have read on other topics and again I go OK and thats it.
mycar2 Champion Author Akron Posts:2,105 Points:2,357,140 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 4:05:55 PM Ignore mycar2 Report Abuse most people don't even look at the ratings, they go with the car they like
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SUPERQUACK Champion Author Sacramento Posts:6,121 Points:1,910,855 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 4:04:24 PM Ignore SUPERQUACK Report Abuse GOT IT
medic319 All-Star Author Akron Posts:723 Points:245,285 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 4:02:57 PM Ignore medic319 Report Abuse Abk is right... Different metrics.
arcaneradio Champion Author Michigan Posts:2,522 Points:490,955 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:55:47 PM Ignore arcaneradio Report Abuse k
abk Champion Author Utah Posts:1,795 Points:655,100 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:55:30 PM Ignore abk Report Abuse Different metrics.
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splitrman Champion Author Victoria Posts:1,315 Points:315,565 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:49:47 PM Ignore splitrman Report Abuse It shows how important it is to do your research and know where the researchers interests are.
ESCORT6768 Champion Author Iowa Posts:1,067 Points:610,065 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:48:44 PM Ignore ESCORT6768 Report Abuse I never use them. Probably should do some research, but for the past ten years I have the dealer let me know when this one family trades. Car usually has less then 20,000 on them and complete maintenance records including fuel record. I talk to the previous owner and so far I have been very pleased with the cars I buy.
bobsalwaysmt Champion Author Long Island Posts:4,655 Points:265,590 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:47:00 PM Ignore bobsalwaysmt Report Abuse Figures lie & liars figure
Ken2OD Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:9,067 Points:1,970,965 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:46:53 PM Ignore Ken2OD Report Abuse My pocketbook won't even allow me to think about a JAG!
Voltus Champion Author Miami Posts:8,456 Points:1,556,375 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:46:05 PM Ignore Voltus Report Abuse BS... safest and best SUV all times: Ford Explorer
aarrrt Champion Author San Diego Posts:7,271 Points:1,651,570 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:45:32 PM Ignore aarrrt Report Abuse Statistics at work, nothing more.
FOURXFOUR Champion Author Boston Posts:2,461 Points:1,246,230 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:42:08 PM Ignore FOURXFOUR Report Abuse wow
TelsaOR Champion Author Oregon Posts:3,561 Points:732,890 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:40:43 PM Ignore TelsaOR Report Abuse On a survey the first question asked of the company, is what result do you want? the same for statistics.
roland1971 Champion Author Virginia Posts:1,499 Points:329,385 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:39:34 PM Ignore roland1971 Report Abuse ok
rski Sophomore Author Massachusetts Posts:123 Points:459,965 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:36:48 PM Ignore rski Report Abuse ...marketing.
Straitliner Champion Author Illinois Posts:1,492 Points:237,300 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:35:54 PM Ignore Straitliner Report Abuse I dont use either one. Waste of time.
Bobmilan Champion Author Louisville Posts:1,195 Points:474,600 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:35:41 PM Ignore Bobmilan Report Abuse Great article. Kinda like differnece between Fox and major networks on news. You need to know their bias. Cheers.
gumbyrex Champion Author Fresno Posts:3,296 Points:758,315 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:29:08 PM Ignore gumbyrex Report Abuse Great information to have for consumers who are considering purchasing a vehicle. The more information available to a consumer,the more it increases the chance the consumer will make a purchasing decision he/she can live with.
hibsaw Champion Author Mississippi Posts:8,037 Points:1,680,990 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:29:01 PM Ignore hibsaw Report Abuse The ones that passes the most money under the table get the best reviews.
ntass1 Champion Author Edmonton Posts:3,790 Points:727,050 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:26:51 PM Ignore ntass1 Report Abuse the more you know the less you know?
snell snail Champion Author Atlanta Posts:5,023 Points:2,597,325 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:26:15 PM Ignore snell snail Report Abuse ...because they are 'funded' by different, divergent sources....duh
waynemustang Champion Author Indiana Posts:6,372 Points:1,664,810 Joined:Nov 2006	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:21:57 PM Ignore waynemustang Report Abuse Informative.
heysailor Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:9,582 Points:2,332,670 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:20:40 PM Ignore heysailor Report Abuse This comes from the suits pushing things into production before they're ready. Driven a Ford lately?
SavinOnFuel Champion Author Gary Posts:1,966 Points:1,256,910 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:16:25 PM Ignore SavinOnFuel Report Abuse Any story can be spun but the spin-meisters
KillChain Champion Author Albuquerque Posts:5,610 Points:1,530,385 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:16:08 PM Ignore KillChain Report Abuse It still comes down to the car consumer doing their research.
frugalking Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:1,067 Points:218,445 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:12:04 PM Ignore frugalking Report Abuse Okay.
Caribou2011 Champion Author Ohio Posts:3,761 Points:767,860 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:11:04 PM Ignore Caribou2011 Report Abuse J.D. Power takes money for advertising, consumer reports does not.
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RAC110 Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:5,949 Points:1,851,545 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:06:57 PM Ignore RAC110 Report Abuse so when buying look at both
srchr Champion Author San Jose Posts:7,248 Points:1,619,075 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:04:03 PM Ignore srchr Report Abuse pick and choose