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Wind Power Generation Beating Natural Gas in U.S. in 2012

Bloomberg -- Wind-turbine installations are exceeding natural gas plants in the U.S. for the first time this year as developers rush to complete projects before the expiration of a tax credit for renewable energy.

New wind capacity reached 6,519 megawatts by Nov. 30, beating the 6,335 megawatts of natural gas additions and more than double those of coal, according to data from Ventyx Inc., which is owned by the Swiss power transmission equipment maker ABB Ltd. (ABBN) The company plans to release final tallies in January.

“Wind will very likely beat gas, but it may be close,” said Amy Grace, who leads North American wind industry analysis for Bloomberg New Energy Finance in New York. “I think it’s very likely that we get over 8 gigawatts for 2012.”

Congress hasn’t renewed the production tax credit, w


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honda0105
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jrs: I'm with you on the renewables.
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Message Posted: Dec 24, 2012 7:06:25 AM

So? Wind has had a BIG head start.
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Renewable verses finite. I will go with renewable.
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Message Posted: Dec 23, 2012 10:30:06 AM

Surprising.
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Next year will be a different story.
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Message Posted: Dec 23, 2012 7:08:29 AM

Take away the huge subsidies that end 12-31 and wind energy will stop like it hit a brick wall. Happened 3 times before.
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Still don't want any windmill's in my yard.
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Message Posted: Dec 23, 2012 5:40:44 AM

Doubt it.
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Wind Power Generation Beating Natural Gas in U.S. in 2012? Yesterday an article said that natural gas was the way to go, now its wind power. Tomorrow solar power will be the favorite. ALL power sources have their benefits, some more than others. Renewable energy needs a way to store the electrical energy for future demand when the sun isn't shining, the wind isn't blowing, etc. etc. etc.
Some wind frarms have not done very well and some were closed because the maintenance was too expensive. Now those wind farms are rusting away to nothing.
Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, vehicle manufactures Produce and the population ‘Drives’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money.
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Message Posted: Dec 23, 2012 1:16:37 AM

Hollow victory. Game over for wind
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Message Posted: Dec 22, 2012 10:31:21 PM

Awesome news!
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Message Posted: Dec 22, 2012 10:24:38 PM

You're right, @jrsva. No coal plant has ever been idled by a wind farm but coal plants have been replaced by natural gas plants that can be throttled up and back down as demand changes. I'd consider that a positive. And those natural gas plants only need to run when the wind isn't blowing. When it is blowing, those plants don't burn any fuel.
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What happens when there is no wind, Nothing!
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Tell me, @Number43. How much does it cost to drill thousands and thousands of fracking wells? It sure isn't free.
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The teabagger Republicans are killing clean and green energy.
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So what. Wind power costs too much. Gas is plentiful and cheap to use. Why this nutty happiness over paying more. Liberal fools trying to distort the issue. Do you want to pay more for energy? if yes then why are you coming to this web site? We want to pay less !
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“It shows that wind has firmly planted its foothold as a valuable energy source.”

No, it shows that everyone knows the PTC is ending in 8 days so they had better get their tax farms up and running. Wind turbines can’t make it without the subsidies. Conventional power producers shouldn’t object to more turbines; they have to be running and on line at all times to pick up the load when the wind changes. Wind’s impact on carbon emissions? Zero. No coal-fired plant has ever been idled because of wind development.

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Message Posted: Dec 22, 2012 10:10:48 PM

AviatorRob: well said.
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nice
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Old 'news'.
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Won't last.
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Nothing but hot air blowing
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They are both part of the energy equation. I hope they both continue to grow.
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blow hards
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CNG is on the rise.
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Message Posted: Dec 22, 2012 10:07:05 PM

"beating" gas plants?

Yeah, but how much electricity is being produced by 1) gas-fired plants vs 2) Wind-generated plants ???
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A positive step.
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Message Posted: Dec 22, 2012 10:05:40 PM

Glad to see this green energy. Keep it up.
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if we truly need an unlimited and free source of HOT AIR, just set up a turbine outside the halls of Congress.
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Wind turbine installations mean we really do have a energy plan in the USA.
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Need everything making energy.
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Really, @Ebaz? Then bring some data to the dance.
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Its all the wind coming from Washington.
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more govt money in wind than nat gas
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Sounds Great.
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Throwing out junk statements about fracking...to talk smack about junk statements. Fail.
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Message Posted: Dec 22, 2012 9:59:03 PM

To all those complaining that wind power is not reliable, we all understand that but the wind is always blowing somewhere in this country. Any place that has a surplus of energy sells it to a market that needs the energy. That's why high voltage transmission lines exist. It's a network.

It's impossible to have a system that runs 100% from wind but we're nowhere close to 100%. We haven't even cracked single digits yet. The ones who are complaining are the fossil fuel powered electricity suppliers. They don't like competition from wind because they want to run their plants at 100% capacity, 24 hours per day. Anything less than that means less money for them.
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Hmm
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Sounds like a lot of hot air to me.
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When the credits expire, we'll see how if the turbine industry can stay on their feet. Odds are, they won't.
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Really @suzmar. How many barrels per day do the wells produce in your patch of Texas? The only reason the old wells have a second life is because of fracking. The frackers are basically scraping the sides of the ketchup bottle. How much longer do you think they can keep that up?

It's been well documented that the lifespan of a fracked well is far less than a conventional oil or gas well.
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ok
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Nice thought about government ownership of renewable companies, @TheThorn.

Now sit back and wait for all the hate mail to flood in from all the "too much Big Government is interfering in our lives" types. They're already none too happy about GM.
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Aviator Rob doesn't know about gas wells apparently. There are wells that are still producing after decades, I know because I live in an oil and gas producing area and see them.
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@TumaloDodge says "Each wind turbine has a four year life."

Where are you getting that figure?

P.S. What's the lifespan of a fracked well before it goes dry? The answer is a lot less than four years.
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Aviator.Bob makes interesting points.
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@Dragnet, what are you talking about?
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Let me ask you, @wayoung56. How are those beaches in Alabama doing? I ask only because the U.S. Circuit Court finalized BP's settlement today. Is everything back to normal over there?

Don't worry. I'm sure you'll blame the President for that, too.
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If we put a politician in front of every wind turbine we will never have to worry about energy.
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those are tax payer dollars doing that
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