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Wood-waste plant, meant to provide Austin with renewable energy, sits idle

Austin TX American Statesman -- For most of the 7 months since it rumbled to life, a wood-burning power plant in East Texas hasn’t been producing electricity for Austin Energy customers despite a $2.3 billion contract.

Simply put, the plant’s electricity is now too expensive to use. But, even as the plant sits mostly idle, Austin Energy pays a fee to cover its operating costs.

“It concerns me that customers are on the hook, paying for this plant to sit idle,” state Sen. Kirk Watson, D-Austin.

The city-owned utility agreed to purchase power from the “biomass” plant in 2008 as part of a plan to aggressively invest in renewable energy and curb the city’s contribution to global climate change. But the deal was based partly on the expectation that federal taxes would raise the price of carbon-based fuels, making wood waste


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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2013 5:14:54 PM

Actually, since all this started before the glut of NG, all it proves is that it's difficult to predict the future.
E-Squirrel
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2013 4:40:53 PM

tomok advises:

"Be careful, very carful, how you write the contract when trying to get cheaper electricity for sale by using locally 'produced' fuel.
The local city bus company contracted for plant bio-diesel years ago and now pays a high cost for a supply of local bio-diesel. Alternate sources of local energy or fuel is not always a good deal but can cost much more in the long run."

Well, that is pretty much why they are called "alternate" fuels. If they were cheaper, they would just be "fuel". The fuels that we use now, are in use exactly because they are cheaper.

This plant was built to "prove" that you could generate electricity from "biomass". What it has proven, is that the scheme is uneconomic, and, that building the plant was a waste of money and resources.
tomok
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2013 3:37:37 PM

Wood-waste plant, meant to provide Austin with renewable energy, sits idle? Is there really that much waste wood in Texas to be able to produce that much electricity at a good price? The price of natural gas is so much cheaper then coal, wood or many other fuels for producing electricity. Also, be very mindful of what fuels are not very friendly to the environment and produce more greenhouse gases than necessary.
Be careful, very carful, how you write the contract when trying to get cheaper electricity for sale by using locally 'produced' fuel.
The local city bus company contracted for plant bio-diesel years ago and now pays a high cost for a supply of local bio-diesel. Alternate sources of local energy or fuel is not always a good deal but can cost much more in the long run.
Drive vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money.
The price of fuel at the pump is too high!
blupupher
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:16:13 AM

Austin, the oddball liberal pocket in Texas.
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 11:20:44 PM

repeat
Ray_10589
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 11:03:38 PM

thanks for the article
Godozo
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 10:26:02 PM

Biomass? Wouldn't waste wood be better used as chipboard for cheap housing?

Heck, when both environmentalists and hard-core carbonists complain about a source of energy, then maybe it's time to put it aside.
LetemEatCake
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 10:13:11 PM


Interesting article, thanks for posing!
bhuggsy69
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 10:02:28 PM

I bet the city still charges one of those miscellaneous charges for those folks that are in Austin, even though it does not produce electricity..
mfeldstein
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:57:27 PM

Not exactly a good portend for alternate fuel technologies.
Prodaddy
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:56:35 PM

I wonder how much money was wasted on this project
JCClark2012
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:53:56 PM

Ok
bvrbill
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:53:05 PM

Who is making these decisions?
jorod55
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:49:26 PM

Use it or lose it. Make it produce or tear it down. Why pay for a dead horse.
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:49:14 PM

Based on incorrect assumptions says it all.
heydano67
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:48:20 PM

didn't quite pan out
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:47:17 PM

So ,this is what we get from the smartest folks in the room. Green energy is not the answer now ,the technology just isn't there. What a sad waste in so many ways, a conventional power plant should have been built.
grt197
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:45:54 PM

yes yes
Nshmidt
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:43:51 PM

?
SavALot
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:43:05 PM

not helping Austin one bit
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:40:01 PM

waste
OKRifle
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:37:31 PM

I guess they will qualify for one of King Emperor Hussein Obama's stimulus handouts!
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:35:56 PM

this is the problem w/ green technology. the hype is there, with no business plan that follow thru w/o subsidies
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:32:55 PM

willing to bet the energy department under obummer provided a interest free loan or part of one of the ill gotten stimulus programs that fleeced the taxpayers.
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:30:27 PM

that is too bad.
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:27:54 PM

sad
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:26:35 PM

There is the problem. A senator just shooting off his mouth and not doing a dran thing
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:25:20 PM

YES electricity extremely high!
NO_SWEAT
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:23:13 PM

Another way to maintain high gas prices.
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:21:39 PM

Subsidies skew the market. If it can't pay for itself, dump it!
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:21:36 PM

Big time waste.
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:20:12 PM

Ok
The_DR
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:19:32 PM

What a waste
Brucevanf
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:17:34 PM

Someone made a really bad judgment call.
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:15:49 PM

This was bad planning, "green" or not!
snagged
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:13:29 PM

Was Obama in on this?
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:11:09 PM

What a rip off.
NorthglennBill
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:07:24 PM

Only $2.3 billion to build an oversized fireplace? Wow!
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:07:05 PM

Sad story.
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:07:00 PM

nice and gas prices remain inflated
abcdMA
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:05:34 PM

How much taxpayer money was wasted here
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:05:19 PM

Sometimes you win; sometimes you don't.
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:05:14 PM

Good idea but it needs to work
lippoe_sokan
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:03:32 PM

Oh so many things wrong in this story! (Wrong, but not at all surprising.)
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:02:47 PM

ok
John747
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:00:55 PM

Yet one more 'Green Energy' success story!
bearzz
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 8:59:07 PM

Gee . . . this sounds so familiar . . . another failing green energy project.
30mpg80
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 8:58:03 PM

Not plagued with too many forests in that area, are they?
suzmar
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 8:58:01 PM

That sounds about right, typical renewable energy project, not cost effective.
wayoung56
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 8:55:56 PM

Hmmm...
toadNY
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 8:55:40 PM

Just like are government pay people Not to produce!
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